
Building Workforce Readiness Through Real Startup Experience:
Changing Higher Ed podcast 307 with host Dr. Drumm McNaughton and guest Chris Crittenden
In this episode of Changing Higher Ed, Dr. Drumm McNaughton speaks with Chris Crittenden, founder of Sandbox, a for-credit startup incubator now operating at eight universities, about what it takes to make experiential learning actually work.
Most institutions claim to offer experiential learning. But when students move from class to class, splitting their time across multiple priorities, the result is often shallow exposure rather than real capability. Sandbox takes a different approach. Students spend an entire academic year earning 18 credits by building a real technology company on interdisciplinary teams, with the time, stakes, and accountability required to go deep.
Crittenden brings a unique perspective shaped by his experience at McKinsey, founding and selling an AI company to Walmart, and building entrepreneurial programs at BYU. In this conversation, he explains


















